The Human Pop Podcast
The Human Pop Podcast explores what pop culture can teach us about ourselves. From movies to music to art, we dive into the ways our favorite stories and media shape our understanding of being human.
The Human Pop Podcast
In the Beginning....
The Human Pop Podcast explores the profound connection between pop culture and our humanity, revealing how entertainment can inspire growth and reflection. In this inaugural episode, LaToya and Andrew share personal anecdotes, discuss their differing perspectives on pop culture, and analyze relationship dynamics showcased in their favorite shows.
• LaToya’s journey through loss and healing via pop culture
• The misconception of pop culture as mere escapism
• Andrew's storytelling approach through nonfiction
• Importance of discussing fandoms and relationships
• Analysis of the representation of marriage in "Outlander"
• The contrast in viewing habits and preferences within their partnership
• Future expectations for engaging guests and thoughtful discussions
About the Host:
LaToya Tucciarone is an avid lover of all things pop culture and has been since she can remember! For her day job, she has been working in the design space for over decade and has been featured on NPR, Forbes, Bon Apetit, HGTV and more. She is the wife of one and the mother of four and her Funko Pop collection rocks!
About the Guest:
Andrew Tucciarone is an award winning commercial director, producer, and entrepreneur with an innovative “Story First” approach and 20 years of experience. A married father of four, dog dad, dual-passport holder, and ultra-marathoner, he brings boundless energy, global perspective, and a flair for adventure to every endeavor.
Follows us on the socials or just one social for now: @thehumanpoppodcast
It's Pop for Human Sake!
Hey everyone, welcome to the very first episode of the human pop podcast. Yeah, we're just getting this thing started. I thought I would give you guys a little bit of a background on why do this Like, why did I even start this podcast and why is it important. Why do we take the time to make this happen? Also, share a little bit of background information on moi, because for a lot of you, you don't know who I am. So my name is LaToya Tucciarone. I'm a mother of four with my husband, Andrew, who is going to be joining me on the show today.
LaToya Tucciarone:I love pop culture and I wanted to celebrate my love of pop culture with this podcast. But even deeper than my love of pop culture, I truly believe that there's this misconception that pop culture is just here to entertain us and to help us escape. Now, while I can do both of those things, I also believe that pop culture plays a huge role in helping us to think about ourselves and to think about our world. Sometimes we think about things in a good way. We can learn new things about ourselves, we can feel good about ourselves, we can feel good about our communities, and sometimes it makes us think about really hard and challenging things, but I do believe that pop culture has a beautiful role in helping us to be better human beings. Hence the name the human pop podcast. I can't even say the name of my podcast, the human pop podcast. Try saying that five times fast, I dare you. But yeah, hence the name. So we're not just going to be talking about how cool pop culture is, we're also going to be talking about, again, the human element and what we can learn about ourselves as humans. But let me give you a little bit about a backstory as to why this is important to me.
LaToya Tucciarone:So, as I said, I'm an entrepreneur and I went through a really difficult time, probably about two years or so ago, where a business I really put my heart and soul into got ravished by COVID and yeah, and essentially I ended up having to give up on that dream and it was very, very hard situation and, honestly, I found a lot of solace in pop culture. I found a lot of solace in really getting into different shows like Stranger Things and getting into anime and getting into different films and, although I've always loved these things since I was young, they kind of filled this new role for me. Honestly, I was too tired to read all the self-help books, probably too sad and depressed to do it as well. So watching a show was kind of like a gateway for me to heal and to find laughter and comfort when it just seemed like other things just weren't doing it for me. It's also when I began collecting this massive showing of Funko Pops and I just find it to be so much fun and, especially since the business that I was in had a lot of hard aspects to it, it's been really nice to do something, just because it's fun and it makes me happy and that there's a place for that and that's okay.
LaToya Tucciarone:So, yeah, so that's really a huge reason why I wanted to do this podcast, because I wanted to dig deeper and pay homage to what pop culture has meant to me and what it's done for me as a human being. Also, doing this podcast is a really great excuse to have fun conversations with some of the people I love the most in this world. So I'm going to have my amazing husband on. I'm going to have my daughters on, talking about horror and being a teenager and how much we just love to be scared at that age. Some of our closest friends. We're just going to have a lot of fun just talking about really cool aspects of pop culture and what that means to us as human beings.
LaToya Tucciarone:Now I also want to clarify when I say pop culture, I don't mean what's trendy right now, what is popular in today's climate, but really anything that is and has been popular and has shaped culture in some way, shape or form. So we're talking art guys. We're going back to Monet and some you know episodes, and so we're going to go back into the past, we're going to fast forward to now and everything in between, and we're talking art, movies, literature, music, all of it. So I'm super excited to dive into this with you guys. I'm super excited to be on this journey, super excited to have this podcast, to have this platform. I hope it'll be fun for you guys.
LaToya Tucciarone:I'm super excited to be on this journey, super excited to have this podcast, to have this platform. I hope it'll be fun for you guys to watch. I really hope it'll be thought provoking. I hope you guys will learn some new things about different shows or music. Maybe you'll see something in a different way that you never thought about before. Maybe you will start to experience pop culture in a more thoughtful way where it can go beyond escapism and beyond entertainment and really speak to who we are as human beings. So thank you for being here, thank you for joining the ride, and I can't wait to continue on with you guys. So, with that said and out of the way, we are going to begin our first episode with my amazing husband, Andrew Tucciarone, here to join me.
Andrew Tucciarone:All right, all right All right, hey, honey, bye. And producer, and producer. Yes, do not forget that very important role, trying to move from behind the monitors to in front of this very for like 20 uncomfortable microphone but I'm here, you are.
LaToya Tucciarone:Why don't you tell the people a little bit about yourself?
Andrew Tucciarone:okay, well, um, I'm andrew. I'm latoya's husband, that's how I'm often known uh, the scowler sometimes, but all the time her biggest fan and supporter, yes, yes. And I think that the best way to describe me is just I'm a storyteller and I've used lots of different modes filmmaking, photography, writing to try to do that, and I've been blessed enough to be able to make that a career. Not everybody gets to do that.
LaToya Tucciarone:He's my sugar daddy right now.
Andrew Tucciarone:You know it's a partnership and yeah, Latoya and I have been married, for we just passed the 18 year anniversary, and yeah, that's it. And you know, I guess, an amateur podcast producer, a role which I am- pretending to be complaining about but actually probably enjoying, because my little technical heart is leaping. A little nervous about the podcast because, as we sometimes say, latoya is like fiction and I'm nonfiction.
LaToya Tucciarone:Yes.
Andrew Tucciarone:I'm a documentary on the History Channel with Nazis and she's, you know, anime Metaphorically. So there's a lot of things to be said about oftentimes, the way that we see storytelling and our kind of like free time pop culture. But yeah, but a lot. I have a lot of respect and I'm excited about the format.
LaToya Tucciarone:I think that's what I love the most about having you on the first episode is because we do have very different relationships with pop culture, like what is exciting and great to you is often really not exciting and great to me and vice versa, you know, but we are proof that you can be married and have a really great, healthy marriage and like very different things.
Andrew Tucciarone:So, most of the time, most of the time yeah, we do have some overlap.
LaToya Tucciarone:So that's what we're going to be talking about today. Um, so for the people, uh, why don't you let them know what are some of your earliest memories of pop?
Andrew Tucciarone:culture. Wow, earliest memories of pop culture. The thing is, some of the earliest memories that I have of pop culture are going to literally be the History Channel. Yeah, it's going to be Weather on the 8th for my dad Weather Channel yeah. Watching Weather Channel. The commercials in our house were and are muted whenever I was growing up, not. You know, that was a big learning when we got married was everyone doesn't mute the commercials.
Andrew Tucciarone:There was kind of a shock to me, um and uh, baseball well, you were a big, you were a big reader I was a big reader sci-fi influence, for sure and of course you know, as with any kids, you know cartoons, gi joe, things like that, but but but there was never, for the most part, I don't ever remember kind of like being a fan of anything that was fiction. I wasn't, I never was like a fan. Right, star wars come on. Yeah, yes, definitely a fan, but not like dress up fan right.
LaToya Tucciarone:So I think there's different levels of fandom.
Andrew Tucciarone:Well, yeah, but I was a dress-up fan of history, I would do living histories right so so you think about when I understand fandoms, but my fandoms were not fiction, they were non-fiction.
Andrew Tucciarone:So but, but at the same time, yes, star wars, I mean man, but, but I mean, as for most people who are in my millennial age bracket, star wars was actually like the first times we got our hearts broken, you know, because we, we would love the originals. They said they were making more movies. It was pre-internet, you know, dial up internet, and then all of a sudden these things come out and we want to love them, but we realize very quickly that they are terrible.
Andrew Tucciarone:I know, and you know, some revisionist history folks have come and said episodes one, two and three right, yes, and it was, it was, yeah, it was, it was breaking our hearts and I think I don't know deeper.
LaToya Tucciarone:I'm gonna stop you there.
Andrew Tucciarone:But you were a deeper star wars fan because you actually read the books yeah but, back in those days there was no, there's no canon, so to speak, so the books were all over the place right there was really no kind of like cohesive books that were authorized. So, yes, you were reading books, but was more like reading a series of like things. Honestly, it was just fan fiction. We didn't. We didn't call it that right, there was no term.
Andrew Tucciarone:There was no term for that, but early star wars books were essentially fan fiction. Right, because there was no extended universe, it was just some guy who made star wars and, as with everything in our world, it became fully monetized.
LaToya Tucciarone:And as it became fully monetized, some things were great and some things got worse, not so much, but it seems to me that your kind of entry point into pop culture is probably more through literature and books. Sure, you know because I would say you were a big, you read the Lord of the Rings trilogy when you were young and then you loved Was it James Patterson? Yeah Books that you read. So kind of.
LaToya Tucciarone:I feel like for a lot of kids their entry point is typically television, you know, or film or maybe comic books, but for you it was I was a book guy.
Andrew Tucciarone:I was a book guy A lot of books, a lot of different types of books, CS Lewis books, yeah, tolkien. I had a very rich thought life from books, a lot of like visuals and I don't know, maybe they affected the way that I tell stories, but I've always kind of like heard or read something and then been like, okay, I see it in my mind very clearly and sometimes the vision is not what people actually make and I don't know.
LaToya Tucciarone:I mean, we're not here for a therapy session but maybe, maybe that's why I don't love fiction so much, because it never really matches my expectation.
Andrew Tucciarone:Interesting, it never really matches what I was thinking. On very rare occasions, sure but, typically, if I'm like someone who's gotten into a book, I I hate watching the movie because there's it even if it's not gonna live up to what was in your head, even if it's amazing, even if it's better than what was in my head. Right, I don't the characters don't feel the way that I have portrayed them in my head right, right, except for jack ryan, right, you liked that I love the series, but it and you read the book.
LaToya Tucciarone:Yeah, of course I read the books, but I they're fine I just don't think of them in the same thing. If I'm watching, even with Lord of the.
Andrew Tucciarone:Rings. I love Lord of the Rings watching them, but I don't think of the Lord of the Rings that I'm watching as the same as the books. They're two different worlds for me. The books are a completely different world than the actual movies.
LaToya Tucciarone:And I think that's probably the importance of books is really the imagery is limitless, versus when it kind of even if the box is amazing and huge and big it's, it's still a visual box. Yeah, so it can only go so far. So, seeing that you are kind of more of a factual documentary type, how has that shaped your storytelling now that you essentially do it professionally?
Andrew Tucciarone:Right. So most of the work that I do is in the nonfiction space. Most of what we're doing is telling documentary stories. You know, I've been really blessed to be able to travel around the world and getting to see lots of different cultures. I think for me, the biggest thing is trying to understand. You know, I always say who are we talking to, what do we want them to know or feel, and then what do we want them to do next? That's always been my sort of philosophy. Whenever I'm telling stories, whenever I'm actually making a film and I think, whenever I'm telling stories, whenever I'm actually making a film and I think, whenever I'm watching something, even if it's like, especially when it's nonfiction I'm thinking about where is the person who made this driving me to? Because no one is ever making a pure exploration. There is no such thing as an unbiased documentary. Everyone has a point.
LaToya Tucciarone:So more documentary telling, would you say. There's more of an agenda, would you know nefarious agenda, right?
Andrew Tucciarone:like it could be a film about a guy going to climb an iceberg in Antarctica, right like the agenda could just be for you to think that climbing icebergs in Antarctica is really cool and you should continue to support that work or that brand or whatever, but it's definitely there's always some sort of like messaging, right some kind of point of view that right they're trying to get across and I I do think that that happens, but oftentimes in fiction I think it happens.
Andrew Tucciarone:Um. A lot of times it's kind of like and and maybe for the best and non-fiction. It happens as an overflow of where the creator's mind is, as opposed to intentionally. I think that's the more authentic. It's more authentic whenever your beliefs drive towards your agenda in your film.
LaToya Tucciarone:That then helps people to see and it's not so like slow you right. Yes, because yes.
Andrew Tucciarone:Because I think the harder you try to push something into someone's face, the less likely they are to go for it. And that's something that I see all the time. You know, people are like put in this X thing. That's like really difficult or hard or painful, and I'm like, well, you can do that, but that is not going to be very strong motivator to your audience right, right, yeah, because it's all gotta connect, gotta connect. But hey, let me ask you a question oh, oh, okay because this is your first episode.
LaToya Tucciarone:I'm really bad at colloquialisms, everyone's just. Let me just say that so if you ever hear me saying one, it's probably gonna going to be wrong, so anyway, continue on Turn the tables, turn the tables.
Andrew Tucciarone:Jesus was flipping the tables.
LaToya Tucciarone:Jesus was flipping the tables.
Andrew Tucciarone:We're turning tables here. Oh man, Yep. So, turning the tables on you.
LaToya Tucciarone:Yes.
Andrew Tucciarone:This is your first episode. Yes, what do you? What are you hoping? That people will.
LaToya Tucciarone:My husband also interviews people professionally, so that's also what you're experiencing right now.
Andrew Tucciarone:yes, okay, what is it that you hope that people walk away from this like? Do you want them to feel like better after the episode? Do you want them to feel inspired? What? What's the what do you like? Speaking to my point of agendas, yeah, what do you want people to go away with whenever they walk away from each episode?
LaToya Tucciarone:Man, I don't know if there's like one thing that I want people to walk away with from every episode, but the, but literally the word that popped into my head as you were posing your question. I was listening what is thoughtful, like I want our thought provoking. You know, I want people to walk away from every episode, maybe thinking, oh, maybe I hadn't thought about it like that. Or, you know, I think even the way that people approach pop culture is doing it perhaps in a more thoughtful way instead of just, you know, let me be entertained, which is totally cool. And honestly, a lot of pop culture probably is just strictly for entertainment. I mean, let's, let's be honest, you know every artist and creator out there isn't trying to like change the world and change hearts and minds, you know. But I think that I hope the show kind of just helps people to kind of take their experiences of a particular piece of pop culture and they say, oh, let me like think about that a little bit more, you know that's kind of my home tagline.
LaToya Tucciarone:Yeah.
Andrew Tucciarone:Tell me a little bit about what the tagline is to you.
LaToya Tucciarone:Oh my gosh, the tagline. It's just funny. I think you know it's pop for a human sake. You know, instead of Christ's sake, you're going to say human sake. I just think. I just think. I thought it was clever. Right, yes, it was clever, but I also think that whether you meant for it to to be or not.
Andrew Tucciarone:I do think that you wanted to get across a little bit about how there is this like thread that we can pull from pop culture that connects to our universal humanity, and I think that that's a great way. The hope is that that's actually what we're going to reveal in the show and hopefully these guests that we've got on are going to surprise us.
LaToya Tucciarone:Yeah 100%, and I'm here, I'm, I'm, I'm here for it. You know, and I think you're right. I think that's exactly true. I think that pop culture reveals universal truths about our human experience and and I think it's such a fun way to to experience our human-ness you know it doesn't have to be super hard or super deep, but like, what can I learn from an anime show?
LaToya Tucciarone:or what can I learn from an album or a piece of music? You know, I just think it's a fun kind of spin on our collective humanness, the universal experience, and, yeah, so excited to see what our guests are going to bring. And speaking of that, you know, just talking to the audience, letting you know like the format of the show is just going to be us talking and bantering. I don't really even give the guest questions ahead of time, so really each episode is kind of a mystery.
Andrew Tucciarone:But with general subject matters.
LaToya Tucciarone:Yeah, I mean, everyone gets to choose the, the, what they want to talk about. I do not force it upon them, um, and we'll talk about some things in generalities, but what I love about is it's just kind of like we're just like diving and excavating together, um, to see what we come up with, and I just think that's exciting. You know, know, definitely is exciting, unscripted, if you will, is the kind of the way we're rolling with this Unscripted but not unguided. Oh right, yes, I don't know, I am the guide.
Andrew Tucciarone:You are the guide, the Obi-Wan, if you will Cool. Well, I, I don't know, as a you know, even if I wasn't pushing the buttons, I would still be excited to see what you've got to say.
LaToya Tucciarone:Oh, you're so sweet. I mean, you know he's a keeper, I gotta be.
Andrew Tucciarone:What can I say?
LaToya Tucciarone:Except when we try to watch shows together.
Andrew Tucciarone:Right, so let's dive into it, let's dive into that, let's dive into that before we let them move on to an episode with a more interesting person than your producer, oh, stop, you're super interesting.
LaToya Tucciarone:Okay, fine, I wouldn't have married you otherwise, right right, because anyone who loves pop culture knows that money makes the world go round.
Andrew Tucciarone:Listen to these ads. All right. So shows for me. If I watch shows, yes, a lot of times it's me time. Yes, I'm kind of like a shows are me time. I'm like unplugged, it's just me, yeah, um, traditionally we have had a hard time choosing shows that we can watch together right because of the traditional couple dynamics of like oh, did you watch it without me?
LaToya Tucciarone:Oh, I don't want to watch the show tonight. You want to watch the show tonight. He's like watching his shows for his me time and I'm over having fantasies of like Netflix and chilling with my husband as a lot of couples do.
Andrew Tucciarone:So, yes, and I'm more just like chilling and Netflix.
LaToya Tucciarone:You are just chilling alone and Netflix yeah.
Andrew Tucciarone:Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, I mean, it is what it is. No, I think it's cool. We have a couple of shows that we like.
LaToya Tucciarone:Yeah, we do, we have. We have definitely had to. I would say, give and take in our relationship and I think it's been a good exercise in marriage, because marriage is literally giving and taking, and what we consume is no different. So there have been times where I had to step into your world, masters of the Air, and try to just get it get through it, you didn't though. I got through what three episodes?
Andrew Tucciarone:Three episodes I got through three and they were long.
LaToya Tucciarone:They were like hour long episodes.
Andrew Tucciarone:I'm sorry, they could have made a hundred episodes. That was like I would have watched every single one I watched like a movie for you. Yeah, that's a movie and they were each amazing.
LaToya Tucciarone:So, yeah, and then I would say, honestly, you stepped into my world with the series we're going to talk about, which is Outlander. I think it took some. It took some convincing. I mean, I literally had to like lay out a case of. I was like honey, it's like right. It's like a good mix of history you know, and fiction. It's like both of us together and um and sure enough you came on over and um.
LaToya Tucciarone:So it's been one of those shows that we've been able to enjoy together we still gotta finish it though we do still have to finish it I think it's in the last season, I think now with the kids and it's just hard. It's hard to also find the time to want to sit down, both together and while and it's not really the kind of show you can watch with the kids in the house.
Andrew Tucciarone:So yeah, so that makes it a little more complicated. But yeah, I mean, you're right, it was. You know it wasn't hard work.
LaToya Tucciarone:It's a great show, it's very I'm saying initially though Initially you had to kind of dip your toe I had to warm up to it. Yeah, you had to warm up, but I mean it was.
Andrew Tucciarone:I mean it's great, great show. A lot of violence, a lot of history. Yeah, I mean a lot of time travel uh, spoiler alert, I guess I mean, it's not really a spoiler alert. I guess it's kind of the only the whole premise. Yes, yes here's one of the big issues that I have with the show. I mean, I know we're not talking about issues, but man, those are the best looking like 55 year olds of all times the time they're like really trying to get us to the revolutionary war in that show.
Andrew Tucciarone:Yeah, you know, just for people who don't know, the show kind of starts in like the early 17 teens essentially in scotland, yeah and by the final season they're in america. Yeah, and the actors ages are probably in their like 30s and 40s, but the characters ages are somehow in their like 50s and 60s, late 50s, 60s, yeah and they basically are just like oh, let's put a little gray, and they're both super hot, right, let's just put a little bit gray, let's put a little bit gray in the hair, yeah, and every episode is like man.
Andrew Tucciarone:It's miserable to live in colonial america, but yet somehow we are the sexiest people alive and look amazing. So yeah, I mean, you know, obviously he's eating a lot more protein than most men, I guess probably would be.
LaToya Tucciarone:Yeah, in that time you throw in that axe around.
Andrew Tucciarone:So you know, I take a little bit away from that. If I can look like Jamie when I'm, you know, 60, then you know.
LaToya Tucciarone:Hashtag goals.
Andrew Tucciarone:Goals. But yeah, no, I mean great show A lot of, I think, for me. I actually would say that some of my most enjoyable books when I was transitioning from sort of fiction to not fiction were historical fiction books books that basically would take a time and a place and then they would try to actually make that time and place, but with fictional characters, right, which I have enjoyed that in pop culture I feel like that's a good way for people like me to learn about history yeah, for sure.
Andrew Tucciarone:I sure I was like what is a Jacobite? I don't know what a Jacobite is.
LaToya Tucciarone:Oh, jamie was a Jacobite. You know Like it's a great way to. It's a fun way to learn history. If you're not, like I'm going to sit down and read a book about, you know, the Scottish rebellion.
Andrew Tucciarone:And some of those time periods have amazing you know things to teach us, justin, today. So I don't know. Yeah, I think those are kind of like the things that are the most enjoyable, and then also kind of like as a person who sees myself as somebody who's pretty capable, just like period I love, like I love that whenever he's just like goes and like builds a cabin in the woods, I'm just like I could do that Like if I was living back in those times. I would absolutely be. I would absolutely be, you would crush, I would absolutely be splitting logs and building cabins and you know slapping, you know vassals who are not listening and paying taxes like I'm there every single one of those things oh man, so you're kind of living vicariously.
LaToya Tucciarone:Uh, a little bit, a little bit.
Andrew Tucciarone:Totally, yes, not Roger, no good god, not whiny, not poor whiny Roger I would.
LaToya Tucciarone:I know I mean, but to be fair, he's probably one of the most realistic absolutely characters, because I'm like, I'm sorry, but most people like Claire don't really adapt quite as well from being taken from like a modern world to the 17, 18 hundreds. If this was real.
Andrew Tucciarone:Claire is dead in the first 20 minutes of the show Right. The first time she looks at somebody and talks back done Right, right, right, she's a witch, burn her, she's done so yeah.
LaToya Tucciarone:Yeah, roger is a lot more. They did try to burn her.
Andrew Tucciarone:Yeah, that's true roger is a lot more like realistic because he's a lot weaker and we're very weak and soft, so a lot of us would struggle to survive right in that time.
LaToya Tucciarone:So I do, I do appreciate roger's character, for, you know, giving a little, a little bit of a balance there to how people would really react, yeah, I mean you know those types of situations yeah, he's, uh, yeah, he, and you know he's making it.
Andrew Tucciarone:So yeah, I mean he's like.
LaToya Tucciarone:I'd also like to go back home right, he's also one of the most honest in that sense he's like this is cool, this is great, but I think I would probably be the same.
Andrew Tucciarone:I would be like this is fun. Yeah, I'm really glad that I had my like living history year yeah, there you go. Yeah, I don't you know I want to have a toilet. Yeah, I like McDonald's yeah.
LaToya Tucciarone:I mean yeah well, one aspect of the show that I also love. So I watched the show without Andrew and then kind of went back and we watched it together and one of the things I think I loved about it, that I thought made it really special that you do not see often in television at all is just a healthy, functioning marriage. Sure, you know there is a lot of sex in this show 100 sorry, children. You know there is. We're not going to get all graphic about it, but there is, you know. But then you remember oh, these people are actually like married and it's a very healthy expression of marriage and they're also like teamwork, you know, like they just function so well together. They're in it for the long haul and I just feel like you just don't get very healthy pictures of a marriage like that anymore Right.
Andrew Tucciarone:It definitely sometimes can seem like in portrayals of marriage on TV you've either got the like super dysfunctional comedic marriages or you've got marriages that work, but they seem like dream marriages where, like, each partner is just like constantly making the other person happy all the time, right, and I definitely think that in this show, the marriage, there's a lot of times where they really piss each other off right like a lot of rates and claire, running off all the time.
LaToya Tucciarone:Right go like where are you going? Claire? Why are you getting?
Andrew Tucciarone:captured one more time. I mean literally, it's just constant. And then her daughter getting captured, just do it like that's just what they do is get captured. But I think, yeah, and I think that, like sometimes jamie makes these super stupid, bullheaded decisions and oftentimes, even if she's frustrated, they give their space yeah their space to, like, become the person that they are. Yeah, and even though he has, honestly, almost no framework to understand where she's coming from, because obviously where she's coming from is hundreds of years different he still tries and.
Andrew Tucciarone:I think for me well, it's trust.
LaToya Tucciarone:There's a lot of trust in their relationship, yeah, trust in a relationship which, for us, you know has been a big part of our story, Right.
Andrew Tucciarone:And respect, trust, respect to understand when the other person's doing something to support it.
LaToya Tucciarone:so, yeah, yeah, and when you don't always understand to to trust, you know. I love how, like Jamie will refer to Claire when he's like well, like what's gonna happen, and it might sound crazy to him because, again, like you said, he has no context for what she knows, but he just wholeheartedly trust her and I love that. They kind of like are not the center of each other's universes, right, but they um, develop other things yeah.
LaToya Tucciarone:Like they kind of have like their own thing going on um together. They're both smart together, but they both support each other for and they're able to be independent of each other and still be capable and functional right.
Andrew Tucciarone:because really I think in a marriage each partner is not always going to be able to push equally to the partnership Right. So there are times when you've got to learn how to be independent together if that makes any sense.
LaToya Tucciarone:Yeah, I mean, it's definitely a dichotomy and they've saved each other, right? You know too?
Andrew Tucciarone:Physically and mentally.
LaToya Tucciarone:Yeah, physically and mentally, and I think that there's just something also really beautiful about Claire not being like Jamie why are you always trying to see me all the time? Or being insecure about him? You know being manly and strong and having to rescue her, and she's able to receive his help. But, at the same time, he's able to receive her help when he's sick or wounded and she can care for him and he's not like no, I need to be a man like suck it up Right.
Andrew Tucciarone:I mean to be fair. Most of the time he's like passed out, because he's like literally dying. Yeah, oh, Jamie.
LaToya Tucciarone:Oh Jamie, Take this medicine I've made for you. From tree bark, yeah, which is also just hilarious, but it's, I just think their their relationship, I think, is very cool and very, very rare to see you know it doesn't feel rom-commy or like straight out of a freaking. I mean sometimes it feels like it's out of a romance novel. I mean it gets steamy, you know. But I think it's balanced by this healthy respect and then seeing them age together yeah, I mean as well, so to speak yeah, so yeah, they're sexy aging.
LaToya Tucciarone:Um, I think is is really cool. Yeah too. So I think it's been a good, it's been a good, it's been a good ride. It's been a good ride and we'll see.
Andrew Tucciarone:Hopefully the last season will disappoint us.
LaToya Tucciarone:So, yeah, I think it's been a really good show for us and I mean we're going to go into the last season together, Hopeful it won't let us down. Let's see how they land.
Andrew Tucciarone:Not every show has done that, the bear definitely brutal.
LaToya Tucciarone:No, no, a lot. There's a lot of shows that don't know how to land the plane, but I'm going to learn how to land the plane on this podcast.
Andrew Tucciarone:I know you are my very first one ever.
LaToya Tucciarone:I'm landing, we're coming down, we're descending. So thank you all for joining us for the first one. Thank you, andrew, for being here and talking to me about pop culture. This is essentially what you guys can expect from you know. Future episodes. I think it's going to be a lot of fun and, again, so excited to have you guys here, and I will catch you on the next one On the flip side. Right, I said it right, this is the Human Pop Podcast. It's pop for humans' sake. And I will catch you on the next one On the flip side. Right, I said it right, this is the Human Pop Podcast. No-transcript. Our little funko pops of claire and of she's to stand up and of Jamie. So, whenever I can on the show, if I have a Funko Pop that will relate to what we're talking about, I'm going to show it because you know I think they're great.
Andrew Tucciarone:So yeah, continue, I mean and honestly yeah.
